the united states, as well as in europe. so iran -- the iranian people believe this is an important thing, and it's a way of expressing themselves and making publicity about their position, and then mobilizing support. but the judgment comes -- and if it is possible to really see like an x-ray as to what israel is in the minds of people about iran's nuclear weapons ambitions, i would say the way leaked to the -- >> [inaudible] >> not many people -- it's always easier to make a form of statements, you know, until they may not even believe but this is the way in politics, but when the day comes, not many would like iran to have a bomb for reasons that are clear. >> did you know any active scientists that were assassinated in r & d? did you know any of them? >> sure, we followed world -- >> did you personally know any of them? >> oh, no. but would it have been useful >> if i could add one thing. seldom seen, any event, anywhere in the world in which the spin both before and afterwards has been so intense about whether it was a